(Should we also give them Jack Boots I wonder?) I bet they all could goose-step with the best of those who like to curtail individual freedoms.
I would like to say that even if Andrew Meyer happened to be playing a prank, even if he spoke too long and went over his allotted time, even if he happened to ask infuriatingly stupid questions, physically removing him as the Police did is reprehensible. The thing is, I do not believe that the manner in which the police behaved is a rarity. In fact, when one watches the television show “Cops”, one regularly sees these jack-asses all puffed up with themselves, acting as macho as they can, (including the women), all acting like adrenaline junkies, itching for a “suspect” to take down.
There is such a thing as the Constitution here in the United States. At least there used to be. I am sure that it has been eroded beyond any sort of recognizability in the last sixty years, but the principles in its amendments are still readily available to read:
1. The first amendment of the United States Constitution states:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Were the Police violating the 1st amendment rights of Andrew Meyer? Did he say something some people just didn’t want heard? I don’t personally think so. What I think happened is that as mentioned above, some thugs wearing uniforms took removing him after his allotted time a little too seriously and abused the power they were given.
But what about Amendment 4 to the U.S. Constitution?
“A seizure is not constituted by merely approaching the individual on the street or in another public place, and asking him if he is willing to answer some questions, or by asking him questions if he seems willing to listen, or by offering in evidence in a criminal prosecution his voluntary answers to such questions. The person approached, however, does not have to answer any questions under these circumstances; he can simply walk away.[15] He may not be detained even momentarily without reasonable, objective grounds for doing so; and his refusal to listen or answer does not, without more, furnish those grounds.[16]
A person is seized within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment only when by means of physical force or show of authority his freedom of movement is restrained, and in the circumstances surrounding the incident; a reasonable person would believe that he was not free to leave.[17] If the police are questioning someone, and they remain free to disregard the questions and walk away, there has been no intrusion upon the person's liberty or privacy, and for Fourth Amendment purposes--there has been no seizure.[17]”
I would say that the Police definitely seized Andrew Meyer, without good cause.
I also think the University itself should be taken to task for even thinking that the Police were in any way doing their jobs.
To sum up, the cops have too much power. There needs to be some major overhauls of the Executive Branch of government from the top on down. Law enforcement needs good, decent, CLEAR minded individuals who CARE about the American people. They should remember the whole “To PROTECT and SERVE” part of their job description.
These cops that tasered Andrew Meyer were doing neither.
Watch these Nazi Pigs arrest Andrew Meyer HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
2 comments:
Greetings,
No offense, but your points are absurdly weak. Freedom of speech has limits. Of course you don't have to agree with that. But, the basic tenet, is you can't yell "fire" in a crowded room.
Problem is, your piece indicates that Andrew had the right to completely disrupt the meeting, with no consequences. That no rules and regulations should apply to anyone who wants to disrupt anything, should be stopped.
Here's one for you. Let's say a bunch of folks - 300 strong, (from, let's say, U of Michigan), go out and by megaphones, and show up, every day, to all 300 classes on a college campus (let's say Ohio State), and just start shouting their opinions about Ohio State's football team, at the start of each class, until the end, day after day, so that no teaching can be done on the campus. Effectively, that shuts down a university from teaching.
Per your philosophy, that is just fine. The students, do not have a right to the education they paid for. The teachers do not have the right to do the job they are hired for, just because someone decided that their freedom of speech supplants everyone elses rights.
Since you would not condone use of the campus (or any) police in such a circumstance, and since the 300 people refuse to stop, it's their "right" to shut down a university, in this case, because of a football rivalry. (the reason doesn't matter).
The sad thing, is this idiot (Andrew) gets off with a slap on the wrist. So, obviously the government, is about as stupid as he is.
BTW, Tasers are used to mimize injury, in exactly such cases. I am quickly realizing, that you don't approve of any action, so that it doesnt matter to you, whether he is tasered, shot, beaten, or just hauled away. I assume all are equally repugnant to you.
I do believe your piece indicates that you aren't a zionist, but rather just a run of the mill anarchist or democrat, hard to tell, in this case. -art
I agree That the police were way out of line. but before i continue, im actually an anti-zionist. it is only where i stand. i am not here to start trouble but only to state my colors.
The police have several taser settings, after all the current required to subdue an 80 pund woman compared to a 350 pound man is very different.
as far as andrew being a "wimp" i find is once again the mainstream media has made a monster of a crusader. It is true that the police are becoming to powerful in america and are infact free to hold people without being charged for as long as the story doesn't hit the news stands.
Freedom of speach does not have limits until the speach is no longer free, when you word offensive sentances to others that isn't freedom of speach because you are opressing an other's freedoms.
and as for "disrupting" the meeting. the man wanted answers. answers he knew kerry was going to give him "yes i am a political prop whobelongs to an organization that runs everything from your schools to tap water" but before kerry was forced to answer... THE POLICE STATE CAME TO HIS AVAIL! saving the corrupt men who own your soul an appologia to the world. andrew was seconds away from blowing the lid on all the minds of skeptics. im only dissapointed nobody came to his aid other than 3 women shouting.
had one person fought the cops. the rest would have followed, i for one would have. I have been to riots before. liek the montebello summit in Quebec. the G8 summit in Quebec city. police shooting at us with rubber bullets without warning. pepper spraying and tear gasing the downed. us french canadians really know how to lay down a fight.
like the rest of europe where people still have balls to fight fascism and tyrany. but as for andrew's sake: Where is he?
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